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The Young Conservatives (Young Cons) Rap Duo: Drawing Youth To The Party Or Being The Butt Of Jokes?

Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
politics, republican, fox-news, conservative, hip-hop, youth, rappers, david-rufful, young-cons, josh-riddle, serious-c, stiltz
By Scott Isaacs

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Are The Young Cons drawing in young voters or simply an object of ridicule?

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  • 45198
    They are bringing in new people to the movement
    24%
  • 45199
    They are a joke with negligible effect on politics
    76%

VoteTotal Votes: 50

An image of Jesus' baptism from the Young Cons' "About Us" section

An image of Ronald Reagan from the Young Cons' "About Us" section

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These are the Young Cons, two Dartmouth basketball players rapping about Republican policy, the failures of the Obama administration and conservative values.

The Young Cons have been getting more attention recently. I must admit that I did not know who they were until Real Time With Bill Maher showed their rap performance on the Mike Huckabee Show. Obviously, they were the butt of a few of Maher's jokes. However, let's zoom out and take a wider view of things. They have been on Fox & Friends (the FoxNews morning show), the Mike Huckabee show (as mentioned previously), The O'Reilly Factor, a show called The Strategy Room (viewers were treated to an a Capella version this appearance) and on CNN Radio. Many of the pieces I read about them labeled them "an Internet sensation" although they have not reached the level of being used for a customized "Rick Roll."

The Young Cons are composed of two 20-year old members: Joshua "Stiltz" Riddle and David "Serious C" Rufful. Riddle's nickname, Stiltz, stems from his giant-like 6'9" frame and Rufful's nickname, Serious C, comes from his self-proclaimed status as a serious Christian and a serious conservative, according to the Young Cons' official website. Their hip-hop group is linked to a Facebook group that Riddle and Rufful administer called "Young Conservatives." There are 6,288 members in the group and, judging by the frequency of Ronald Reagan pictures and references on The Young Cons' site and in the Facebook group, they seem to think he was the greatest president in American history. I would say they worship Reagan but they make it very clear that they worship Jesus Christ.

The Young Cons espouse a philosophy that Jesus Christ, Ronald Reagan, and Martin Luther King Jr. are the rightful and foremost "flag-bearers of the true conservative movement." Not only do they have their official website and Facebook group, they are on MySpace Music, Twitter, YouTube and their song is available for purchase on ITunes for $0.99. I will share the lyrics of The Young Con Anthem here and the emphasis (bolding) as well as the numbering will be mine:

Serious C:

"Yo this ones for all the young conservatives.

Yo…. one time….

I rep the Northeast and I'm still a young con,

Let your voice release, you don't have to be obamatrons.

I debate any poser who don't shoot straight,

Government spending needs to deflate,

Your ideas are lightweight,

Ya careers in checkmate

I frustrate. I increase the pulse rate

I hate when,

government dictatin, makin, statements, bout how to be a merchant,

How to run a restaurant, how to lay the pavement

Bailout a business, but can't protect an infant

Deficiencies are blatant, young con treatment

I stand one man, outnumbered at my college

Thank you Miss Cali for reminding us of marriage

(1) Can't support abortion, and call yourself a Christian

I support life, you're a puzzled politician

Terrorists were imprisoned at Guantanamo Bay,

(2) Now they're in our neighborhoods, planning out doomsday

No such thing as utopia,

no government can control ya, baby ya,

Reap the benefits hard work, self reliant

Listen to Stiltz, my dude's a lyrical giant

Yo Stiltz… make it two time… please"

Stiltz:

"I'm 6′9 head and shoulder above the rest

Liberals playin checkers, I'm playin chess

My conservative view is drill baby drill

You can say you hate me but

I'm praying for you still

My dislike for thee most def is not hyperbole

Taxes are the subject and I will spit them verbally

I'm just livin life a conservative philosophy

Sorry Hilary not a right wing conspiracy

(3) We need more women with intellectual integrity

I'm talkin Megyn Kelly not Nancy Pelosi

My main motto is you best work hard

It's not the hand you were given, but how you lay down your cards

I don't speak lies but I spit the facts

28% the new capital gains tax

Porkulus bill lacks a few stats

The more money we spend, the more mine is worth Jack

(4) The Bible says we're a people under God,

Usin radar for radical Jihad

AIG was hooked up by Chris Dodd

A classy gift ain't an Ipod

The standards of my crew ain't republicans dude

(5) I'm reppin Jesus Christ and conservative views

Study history and true conservative moves

Every single time they refuse to lose

I'm starting to see a modern day Jimmy Carter

When really nothin but a Reagan era starter"

Serious C:

"Yo, We americans son

Hit ya with some knowledge

The movement has begun

Everyone can succeed

Because our soldiers bleed, for us

I said it in the verse,

now I'll say it in the chorus"

Stiltz:

"We young conservatives son

Hard work is our motto

The movement has begun

(6) EVERYONE can succeed cause our soldiers bleed, daily

My views are rock solid, no chance you can break me"

Serious C:

"Phase me, make me, into something that ain't me

Serious c… can't nobody shake me

great like the Gatsby, poppin posers like acne

Don't matter if your gay, straight, Christian or Muslim

There's one thing we all hate, called socialism.

It's loathsome, and America ain't the outcome,

Raise taxes on the people,

And you're gonna feel symptoms, problems

I gotta message for a young con:

superman that socialism,

waterboard that terrorism"

Stiltz:

"I fulfill the role that's inherently mine

Teaching politics through my rap and my rhyme

I'm signing off this track with a question in mind

How will this country get its precious change in time?

Three things taught me conservative love:

(7) Jesus, Ronald Reagan, plus Atlas Shrugged

Saving our nation from inflation devastation

On my hands and my knees praying for salvation"

Serious C:

"Yo, We americans son

Hit ya with some knowledge

The movement has begun

Everyone can succeed

Because our soldiers bleed, for us

I said it in the verse,

now I'll say it in the chorus"

Stiltz:

"We young conservatives son

Hard work is our motto

The movement has begun

EVERYONE can succeed cause our soldiers bleed, daily

My views are rock solid, no chance you can break me"

On Bold 1, I bolded to point out that they went back to the reliable political well of abortion. Though he flatly states you cannot be a Christian and be pro-choice, there's also quite an argument to be had whether that is the case since being pro-choice is simply the stance that women have a legal right to choose abortion. I won't get into that discussion here, however.

Bold 2 I found entertaining because it is factually inaccurate. We have gone to great lengths to avoid bringing anyone from Guantanamo to live in the United States even if the Pentagon has deemed them safe. Over a dozen Chinese Uighurs (Muslims from a province in in northwest China named Xinjiang) were judged to only be a threat to China and yet we had to settle them in Bermuda and Palau. Entertaining little ditty with no bearing on reality.

Bold 3 simply made me laugh out loud. Is there anyone, anywhere besides these two fellows that consider Megyn Kelly an intellectual? Nancy Pelosi is not one either, but they didn't claim she was.

Bold 4 struck me as interesting because the Bible says nothing about the United States whatsoever. It's actually The Pledge of Allegiance that says we're "one nation under God" and it didn't say that until Congress legislated it in 1954 to provide a stark contrast to the atheist Soviet Union. Perhaps they should read the Bible more frequently instead of simply "reppin for Jesus" when they rap.

Bold 5 is important because it says unequivocally that, in the Young Cons' minds, Christianity and politics are most certainly linked.

Bold 6 I found interesting because it is the same method that Republicans have been using since Jimmy Carter: wrap yourself in the flag and talk about soldiers dying to protect us while sending them to fight in God-awful, out of the way places we have no need to interfere in. 99% of Democrats respect and support our troops, but you wouldn't know that from listening to people like The Young Cons. Democrats hating our troops is the urban legend that just won't die.

Bold 7 shows the troika that The Young Cons and their supporters venerate: Jesus Christ, Ronald Reagan and Ayn Rand.

Jesus is good but, all too often, people that talk about following him are the least like Jesus in the bunch. Also, we have a little something in this country called the separation of church and state. The state shouldn't get much into the church's business and the church not much into the state's business. The Young Cons seem poised to advocate a rollback of such a policy as conservative heresy.

Reagan is acceptable, but they need to realize that they cannot carbon copy Reagan's policies from 1980 and paste them straight into today's environment. One simple example is taxes. When Reagan came into office, the top bracket income tax rate was 70%. By the time Reagan left office it was 28%, a full 42% lower. The highest that tax rates have been since Reagan left office was 39.6% under Bill Clinton from 1993-2000. Only two years out of Reagan's eight years was the tax rate lower than that highest rate post-Reagan. In 1987 the rate was 38.5% which was 1.1% lower than the Clinton high. In 1988, the top bracket tax rate was 28% and Reagan raised the tax rate on the bottom bracket 4% (from 11%-15%) to accommodate for the tax cut for the highest bracket. Today we sit with a top bracket tax rate of 35%, exactly half the rate as when Reagan rode the "lower taxes" campaign issue into the White House. (Source for all tax rates) Cutting taxes has ceased to make logical sense in today's world. In fact, obsession with this particular policy is one of the primary factors driving our government to borrow itself into oblivion. The government has certain responsibilities and one is defense, something that Reagan was also strong on. Giving the Pentagon the ability to stay on the cutting edge of military technology is not cheap and it is something I am in favor of. However, it is not something that we should be borrowing funds from China to finance. In fact, in a $1.25 trillion budget proposal for 2010 the Defense Department accounts for $671 billion of it. The Pentagon accounts for 53.57% of the entire federal budget. (Source for budget figures) Anyone that wants to cut taxes in this day and age is not checked into the Reality Inn.

Ayn Rand is, well, Ayn Rand. She is a cult political writer who inspires fierce loyalty among a small group of admirers. She came up a few months ago when some continually threatened they were "going Galt," which means to go off the grid and forget society.

Having read all of this about The Young Cons, the question is this: are they drawing young voters into the conservative movement or are they simply the butt of mediocre jokes?

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Scott Isaacs

Are they a joke or a big draw?

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 2:54 PM EDT
tyler

That's unlistenable. YouTube description:

Their goal is not to pursue a rap career, but rather get young Americans involved in politics.

...and that's the problem. Hobby rap - especially poorly-executed hobby rap - usually makes you look like a sucker. The worthwhile part:

I gotta message for a young con:

superman that socialism,

waterboard that terrorism"

Kind of hilarious, plus insider referential. The rest of the lyrics are way too serious [and poorly delivered] to reach people.

Hobby rap works best with a firm tongue in cheek and some legitimate skills [see: every Weird Al rap parody]. The conservative movement would be way better off with Daddy Yankee casually spitting about policy than these cats.

Also, hip-hop is a great tool for expounding, but trying to tackle an entire ideology usually means you're just giving lip service to a bunch of topics. They'd have been better off going at just one thing [perhaps a pro-Megyn Kelly vehicle].

Try this for a solid, one-topic platform conservative track [NWS language]: Sir Mix-A-Lot's second-amendment-championing 'No Holds Barred':

Hypothetical situation
Gun control starts sweepin the nation
Now you got a bunch of unarmed innocent victims
Gettin [] by the system
Sittin at home with a butter knife, huh
Any fool could [] your wife
So what's up when the criminals can't be stopped?
The only one with guns are the COPS
But it's hard for a brother to trust police
Huh, so the [] don't cease
So I go downtown to buy a hot gun
I hated criminals, and now I'm one

It should probably be noted that left-leaning rappers who can actually rap aren't necessarily any more convincing. [Kidz in the Hall are both Ivy League grads, too.]

  • 7 votes
#1.1 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:48 PM EDT
Pacific Northwest Blogger

Hobby - Rap?

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:03 PM EDT
tyler

Hobby - Rap?

Sorry, was in 206Proof mode. It's a very Seattleite pejorative for low-effort, low-quality rap made by people who don't take it seriously either because they know they're not good at it or because they 'have no respect for the genre'.

No one is more uptight about respecting the genre than hiphop fans, myself included.

Nice article, Scott, by the way.

  • 8 votes
#1.3 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:25 PM EDT
Scott Isaacs

tyler:

That was a great song about gun control. I liked the lyrics, particularly the end where he says he hated criminals and now he's one.

Thanks for the compliment as well.

It seems to me that the GOP is turning to kind of gimmicky things to get attention while there is no clear leader and no clear strategy. This kind of stuff keeps them in the news, but not necessarily in a positive way. It's like a kid setting the cat on fire to get Mommy to pay attention. It's audibly similar too. ;-)

  • 3 votes
#1.4 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:45 PM EDT
tyler

It seems to me that the GOP is turning to kind of gimmicky things to get attention while there is no clear leader and no clear strategy.

To be fair, it's not like this is strictly GOP-endorsed, but Fox News is down. Here's their press page on their site, which includes a more-listenable live performance on Huckabee with an absolutely dead crowd.

In the FOX and Friends clip, they come off okay and really earnest. But yeah. One bad song does not a message communicate.

Dartmouth basketball roster.

That was a great song about gun control.

Mix is the best one-hit wonder rapper ever.

  • 1 vote
#1.5 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
Reply
BAjunkie

Just a couple kids who can make debunked talking points rhyme. Not much talent in that, really.

  • 9 votes
Reply#2 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:20 PM EDT
Rainkiss

Gotta go with butt.

  • 4 votes
Reply#3 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
Hunter Poe

Are u and idiot man for starters in the song where it says Jesus Ronald Reagan plus Atlas Shrugged each of these people are used to support a certian conservative veiw point

1) Jesus on issues of morality gays abortion etc

2) Ronald Reagan as the issues of taxation and defence

3) Atlas Shrugged the issue of slavery i mean socialism

On your opnion of bold 1 No true Christians that have daily prayer and live the gospel of Christ can be for abortion

In response to your bold 6 i give u this link

And please point out where in the constitution is says quite clearly that there is to be a sepration of church and state

    Reply#4 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
    BAjunkie

    So.. I almost feel as if I'm responding to a 12 year old with this one.. but.. here goes:

    Jesus on issues of morality gays abortion etc

    Jesus was a flaming liberal, what with all that pacifism and the such.

    Ronald Reagan as the issues of taxation and defence

    Here in the states, we spell it 'defense'. This would seem to hint that you are either a) some foreign guy feigning to be a raging conservative, or b) a shoddy speller.

    Atlas Shrugged the issue of slavery i mean socialism

    Please stop with the off the wall comparisons to that book. The same comparisons have been made with every damn politician since the book was written. Enough already.

    No true Christians that have daily prayer and live the gospel of Christ can be for abortion

    Obviously, your reading comprehension skills leave something to be desired. To summarize, pro-choice != pro-abortion. Pro choice simply gives women the right to choose what they want to do.

    where in the constitution is says quite clearly that there is to be a sepration of church and state

    Well, there's this little passage:

    Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;

    And there's also this by Thomas Jefferson, which clearly links the first amendment to 'separation of church and state':

    Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation between Church & State.

    So, now that we've got that cleared up, feel free to respond in a somewhat more intelligent, coherent, rational manner, at your pleasure.

    • 7 votes
    #4.1 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:43 PM EDT
    matt12341

    Thanks for the non-existant link.

      #4.2 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:46 PM EDT
      trm2008

      Thanks for the non-existant link.

      Matt-Evidently your faith isn't strong enough. LMAO

        #4.3 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:22 AM EDT
        Kc77

        Matt-Evidently your faith isn't strong enough. LMAO

        LOL Yes.. someone should try and pray the link into the thread.

          #4.4 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:10 AM EDT
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          Ludwigc

          lol, right-wing rap. Ya that’s pretty bad. I can’t say I disagree with them but the presentation is awful.

          Anyone who gets their news opinion from rap lyrics probably shouldn’t be voteing!

          • 2 votes
          Reply#5 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 3:52 PM EDT
          Tyler Durden-330839

          Ahh, ignorance and Fascism. Perfect together.

          • 1 vote
          Reply#6 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
          Tyler Durden-330839

          Founding fathers and mothers left us a mandate
          We've got to separate the church and the state
          So get your head straight before it's too late
          And you drop it in the plate, you must appreciate

          Jesus and money make a man speak in tongues
          Scream out his lungs, roll in the dung
          And when the song is sung, he moves up another rung
          And the deaf and the dumb are the ones who get stung

          Here comes the sex police, they're at your bedroom door
          Movin' in next door, searchin' from floor to floor
          You know what they're lookin' for
          Someone's always keepin' score every time you dip the oar

          Love isn't fun no more

          Fascist christ, come to the rescue
          Gimme that old time religion, here it comes

          Let's get fundamental about this strange philosophy
          In which god and man are enemies
          In which there is no serenity unless you happen to believe
          Precisely what they want you to believe, and no diversity

          Come join the army and learn the noises
          That drown out the others' voices and please the devil
          Who rejoices when mankind has no choices
          And power exploits us, and peace avoids us

          Guess who to the rescue on a holy mission
          To uphold the tradition of the Spanish Inquisition
          And preempt your decision by forcing your confession
          Now let that be a lesson

          Who do you think you're messin' with?

          Somebody took our god away

          • 5 votes
          Reply#7 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:02 PM EDT
          Jared Kardos

          Now that's what I call some good rhymes! Where's it from?

            #7.1 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:46 PM EDT
            Tyler Durden-330839

            Todd Rundgren No World Order. The song is called Fascist Christ. From 1992. A white boy of the highest order.

              #7.2 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 7:58 AM EDT
              Tyler Durden-330839

              http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hxW4U-SOqN8&feature=PlayList&p=53DA04522597723F&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=10

              Here's the vid on youtube.

                #7.3 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 8:02 AM EDT
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                analog ninja

                Ah an anthemic christian neo-con rap group...
                Makes sense, one could consider that the most prevalent form of rap in the mass media for the past decade has been gangsta rap.
                This pathetic duo simply heils from its heart, the desire to become the super-being and then dominate the planet through military power backed by a strong police state torture regime...I heard that they always wear this brown outfit with the trousers tucked into riding boots...
                For me this is great, seeing that white supremacist movements trend towards using hardcore punk music to "unleash the rage," so to speak. Now we can see the use of a similar tactic on a much larger and more culturally attractive scale by a political minority.
                Neat! And Ill go with object of ridicule.

                • 2 votes
                Reply#8 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:47 PM EDT
                moltke5104

                Isnt there enough crappy music already?

                • 3 votes
                Reply#9 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 4:51 PM EDT
                UnAmericanLiberal

                LOL they remind me of an Andy Sandberg song.

                This is almost worse than the "are you ready for some football" guy's Sarah Palin song.

                What a joke, they get two white guys at Dartmouth of all places to be the way to get minorities to vote Republican I'm guessing?

                I would love to see Sarah Palin and a black woman or man run on the Republican ticket in 2012 just so they can not get the woman and minority vote.

                • 4 votes
                Reply#10 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:07 PM EDT
                JoulesBeef

                yes there are white rappers.. but when a party has a lot of trouble not only attracting minorities but shaking off the racist label; I find it hilarious they have a couple of clean cut white rappers to "attract new blood"
                Doesnt this act just bring attention to their minority troubles?

                • 4 votes
                Reply#11 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:18 PM EDT
                Burlap Mudflap

                Do they do their act in "black face" minstrel style?

                • 5 votes
                Reply#12 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:18 PM EDT
                AMphoto

                ahahahahahahahaha!

                  #12.1 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:53 AM EDT
                  Reply
                  Feen

                  Know what I think? First, 'liberals' don't even know what they are...you claim to be 'rebels against the system', when in fact, you ADVOCATE for the system...YOU'RE ALL FOR BIG GOVERNMENT, YOU LUNKHEADS!! You've become the very thing that you claim to abhor. The real name for your movement is not 'liberalism'...it's STATISM, you fools! You like to fancy yourself intelligent, but you can't even see what you are...you're all for a big government that puts chains on people and controls our lives. Here's another nugget, you 'rebels' .... you like to label as 'Nazis' those on the political right, when in fact, you idiots, the Nazis were about as far left as you can get...they were the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY, numbnuts! They were for a large, controlling fascist government...you idiots...you've fallen for the whole show...soup to nuts. You think liberalsim is about freedom, when in fact, you've been DUPED! I'm glad I never had anyone like you throughout the course of my education, which, by the way, includes two master's, something that intellectual Isaac more than likely doesn't possess, because it would no doubt be too much work. You all need to take your personal insecurities, go home, have someone tell you that it's all going to be okay, and leave all the common-sense people alone.

                  • 1 vote
                  Reply#13 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 5:58 PM EDT
                  whatanoddguy

                  Wow is this your first time talking about politics? Those are some pretty weak arguments. Some highlights worth discussing:

                  Know what I think? First, 'liberals' don't even know what they are...you claim to be 'rebels against the system', when in fact, you ADVOCATE for the system...YOU'RE ALL FOR BIG GOVERNMENT, YOU LUNKHEADS!! You've become the very thing that you claim to abhor.

                  Only libertarians conflate "the system" with government. I'm opposed to injustice whether it's carried out by a public or private entity. Liberals do tend to prefer state solutions because they are, at least to some extent, accountable to the public. Is it your positions that "liberals" (I'm a socialist, by the way, not a liberal but I think it's safe to assume you're talking about the left in general) do not favor major reforms of government programs? Who is out their marching for the government to end wars and supporting equality in the government sanctioning of marriage, then?

                  Here's another nugget, you 'rebels' .... you like to label as 'Nazis' those on the political right, when in fact, you idiots, the Nazis were about as far left as you can get...they were the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY, numbnuts! They were for a large, controlling fascist government...you idiots...you've fallen for the whole show...soup to nuts. You think liberalsim is about freedom, when in fact, you've been DUPED!

                  You're hung up on the word socialist in the name of the party, despite the fact that Hitler had all the major left-leaning demographics jailed (communists, ethnic and religious minorities, trade-unionists). Hitler was in fact profoundly conservative, reactionary even. Liberals do not try to restore their nations to some imagined past glory.

                  I'm glad I never had anyone like you throughout the course of my education, which, by the way, includes two master's, something that intellectual Isaac more than likely doesn't possess, because it would no doubt be too much work.

                  Two masters degree and not a single leftist instructor? I find that hard to believe. Bragging about your education just makes you look like a smug moron, by the way.

                  You all need to take your personal insecurities, go home, have someone tell you that it's all going to be okay, and leave all the common-sense people alone.

                  I am at home, and I'll never stop flying in the face of common sense. Common sense can't solve any problems: it's common because everybody knows it. If it were also sensible, it would by it's nature have already been applied to the problem and resolved it.

                  • 3 votes
                  #13.1 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:32 PM EDT
                  UnAmericanLiberal

                  Here's another nugget, you 'rebels' .... you like to label as 'Nazis' those on the political right, when in fact, you idiots, the Nazis were about as far left as you can get...they were the NATIONAL SOCIALIST PARTY, numbnuts! They were for a large, controlling fascist government...you idiots...you've fallen for the whole show...soup to nuts. You think liberalsim is about freedom, when in fact, you've been DUPED!

                  There is a BIG @!$%#ing difference between Socialism, the economic philosophy and the National Socialist German Worker's party in Germany. The Nazis locked up the Social Democrats and sent them to concentration camps.

                  I think that the current Social Democratic Party of Germany would have some strong opinions about the Republican's moronic attempt to link groups like them to the nazis.

                  • 1 vote
                  #13.2 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:59 PM EDT
                  UnAmericanLiberal

                  I guess the biggest difference is that I support Democracy more than anything a system where if my side does something and too many people disagree with it we can be voted out. You can be a Democrat without being a socialist, and you can be both without being a totalitarian.

                    #13.3 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 11:03 PM EDT
                    Scott Isaacs

                    Feen:

                    the course of my education, which, by the way, includes two master's,

                    They must be in the sciences. If one or the other is in politics or history I am going to call your alma mater, present your post to the Dean of the College of Arts & Sciences and say that if you can have a political science/history masters degree then I deserve one prima facie based solely on my curriculum vitae as represented on my Newsvine column.

                    • 2 votes
                    #13.4 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:48 AM EDT
                    Dennis Kemmerer

                    Feen wrote:

                    the course of my education, which, by the way, includes two master's,

                    Well, we know that your degrees certainly aren't in the fields of government, political science or English.

                    • 1 vote
                    #13.5 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:34 PM EDT
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                    Feen

                    But I must be racist. Yep, that's it.

                      Reply#14 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 6:39 PM EDT
                      whatanoddguy

                      No ones called you a racist. It is unlikely anyone would have as race has nothing to do with anything you posted. You have no idea what the opposition actually believes and yet think you have them all figured out. Can you not understand how infuriatingly dense that makes you seem to anyone who isn't you?

                        #14.1 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:36 PM EDT
                        Scott Isaacs

                        Feen tells us that he has two masters degrees and yet he cannot fathom how to respond to his critics in the same subset (#13) that they posted in. Amazing, simply amazing...

                        • 3 votes
                        #14.2 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 1:50 AM EDT
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                        Better Careful

                        They're livin' on the edge, like the Osmonds, or the Cowsills, or the Jonas Brothers. For my part, I like a good side show. The freakiness of this is delicious.

                        Brought up mean on da' streets of Cos Cob. Once asked to pick up a wet towel in the country club locker room! (and only because ol' Mr. Wilson bogeyed the last 7 holes; they have help for locker room chores, you know.)

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#15 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 8:08 PM EDT
                        Publius ReduxDeleted
                        KindMisica

                        Never heard of these clowns and I'm not eager to check'em out on youtube either. Reading some of the lyrics you posted above was enough for me.

                        I can picture these "Aryan Brothers" douches starting to rap with "yo, yo, yo"...imitating the people they most despise.

                        First enroll in the Army, kids, then come back (if you can) and do your louzy "schtick"

                        MC Steele is more than I can chew already! ("He be the man!") LOOL!

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#17 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 9:54 PM EDT
                        Jared Kardos

                        Butt of the joke, definately.

                        One thing that does interest me is one of their inspirations being Ayn Rand. I know a lot of the right like her, but probably because they only skim through her books. Would they like her so much if they knew that she was an unabashed athiest, for example?

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#18 - Wed Jun 24, 2009 10:53 PM EDT
                        AMphoto

                        Is there any respectful way to tell feen he is an Idiot?

                        an idiot with two masters none-the-less!

                        I know...this doesn't comply with CoH

                        • 1 vote
                        Reply#19 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:58 AM EDT
                        tyler

                        I know...this doesn't comply with CoH

                        Then don't do it, AMphoto. Stop violating #1 of the Code of Honor.

                        Above all else, respect others. Address issues and arguments and refrain from making personal attacks. If you see something disrespectful or inappropriate, report it - rather than further inflaming the situation.

                        Feen, you need to stop with the middle-finger posting style, calling everyone you disagree with 'lunkheads' and 'fools' while not addressing the topic at all. It'll get you suspended.

                        I certainly provoked all of you elitists, didn't I?

                        Reads like you were trying to, especially with all that 'I'm a racist' nonsense.

                        Get familiar.

                        • 4 votes
                        #19.1 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
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                        Feen

                        I wish I were as enlightened as all of you.  I wish I could take the 'pack menatality' and gang up on someone who dares to disagree with you.  Courageous, indeed.

                        I certainly provoked all of you elitists, didn't I?

                        Let's talk cap-and-trade, for example.  Explain to me why this is a good idea.  Spare me the notion that this is good for the planet, yada, yada, yada...do you realize that over 31,000 of the most respected scientists in the world have signed off on the fact that global warming is not, in fact, an issue? 

                        But I don't want any facts to get in the way of the constructed leftist mental machinery.  That would make you think.  How cruel of me.  I apologize.

                        "Global Warming", "Climate Change", and any other liberally-fashionable pseudonym are ID tags for "spreading the wealth".  My guess is that all of you will think, "Wow!  What a great idea!  We're saving the planet!  We're just so darned special, aren't we?"  Of course, once your home energy bills practically double, you'll be the first to say, "Oh, wait...I didn't mean me.  Stop it.  Stop it right now.  I don't give a damn about the planet.  I just want to run the filter on my olympic-sized swimming pool 24/7."  This is all par for the leftist course, since you're the ones who want to make damn sure that you have the best of everything in your state-of-the art homes...to which, of course, you're entitled, because you're the 'elite', after all.  Because you know what's best for everyone, and even the freaking planet, for heaven's sake, you deserve to have the best of everything.

                        How about CAFE standards on cars?  Ever given that any thought?  Do you realize that (sit still...facts coming) these standards cost between 2,500 and 4,500 deaths in 1997 alone?  Why?  Because of basic math, people.

                        While you're driving around in your prim little prius-mobiles (which say quite a lot about how special you are), understand that CAFE standards have resulted in automobile manufacturers having to utilize significantly more plastic and aluminum in order to make cars lighter, so that they make the Statists' 'standards' for mpg.  Consequently, more and more people are being either seriously injured or killed as a result of cars that are made with sub-par materials.  Further, by forcing cars to be manufactured to a standard mpg ratio, what has it naturally resulted in?  MORE DRIVING!!  More of your precious carbon (which, by the way, is actually consumed by vegetation...oh, wait..you didn't know?  Plants, trees, etc., consume CO2 and emit oxygen, while we consume oxygen and emit CO2.  Isn't it funny how that just works out?  Of course, cap-and-trade would then, naturally, adversely affect all the forest terrain that you're so big on saving...you people would be humorous entertainment if you weren't so freaking dangerous) is released into the air as a result of people getting more mileage, naturally feeling free to drive longer and farther. 

                        Naturally, I must be wrong.  Basic common sense, easy math, and basic behavioral tendencies must just be too obvious.  Let me go back into my cave and re-think all this. 

                          Reply#20 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:18 PM EDT
                          moltke5104

                          O.k. that was severely off topic, since when does global warming have to with crappy music?

                          • 1 vote
                          #20.1 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:30 PM EDT
                          Feen

                          It's not off-topic, big guy...it's all about the leftist worldview.

                            #20.2 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:33 PM EDT
                            moltke5104

                            The topic is about a conservative rap group not the leftist world view.

                            • 1 vote
                            #20.3 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT
                            AMphoto

                            i don't care if you disagree with me, I love a good debate. But some of the stuff you were saying HAD NO MERIT or no truth whats so ever. Do better research.

                            • 1 vote
                            #20.4 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:50 PM EDT
                            AMphoto

                            I ride my bike everywhere by the way:)

                            • 2 votes
                            #20.5 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:57 PM EDT
                            moltke5104

                            That actually sounds like fun, i need to get a bike.

                            • 1 vote
                            #20.6 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
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                            Feen

                            But I'm a racist. Or a Nazi (laughable). or just a downright hateful person. Dammit. But wait...that would require you all to 'get to know me as a person', right? Isn't that what your side of the spectrum is all about? Like the Chris Matthews' of the world?

                              Reply#21 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
                              moltke5104

                              And nobody called you a racist, it seems as though you are a little lost in there.

                              • 1 vote
                              #21.1 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:35 PM EDT
                              Feen

                              It would be odd if a leftist didn't accuse someone of being racist who had the unmitigated gall to disagree with them. Of course, that statement in and of itself would be stereotyping if it weren't, in fact, true.

                                #21.2 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:49 PM EDT
                                moltke5104

                                But do you have any proof what so ever that anybody on this board called you a racist?

                                • 1 vote
                                #21.3 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
                                Reply
                                Feen

                                Sorry...I DID research...A LOT of it.  As uncomfortable as that might be to think about...well, I really don't care if it makes you uncomfortable, and I'm done apologizing if someone's 'self-esteem' has been injured.  Time to grow up, kiddies, and face the big, bad, cruel world.  Let me know when you actually read. 

                                  Reply#22 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:17 PM EDT
                                  Scott Isaacs

                                  Well, since you have declared that you have read "A LOT" then perhaps you could attempt to construct arguments that mimmick the authors you have read. That will get you somewhere around here: this is a meritocracy where respect comes with the ability to debate your opponents.

                                  • 1 vote
                                  #22.1 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 10:06 PM EDT
                                  Kc77

                                  Feen I will tell you this. People around here love a good debate. If you can provide links and references to give credence to your viewpoint that would be awesome. Just ranting and fomenting non-sequiturs up and down the thread isn't going to do much but get you snide remarks that I don't think you will be able to handle.

                                    #22.2 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:22 AM EDT
                                    Reply
                                    Feen

                                    Oh, and by the way - 'whatsoever' is one word, big guy.

                                      Reply#23 - Thu Jun 25, 2009 6:21 PM EDT
                                      Kc77

                                      By the way please learn how to use the reply button effectively. You've got two masters, this is can't be nearly as difficult.

                                      • 1 vote
                                      #23.1 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 12:18 AM EDT
                                      Dennis Kemmerer

                                      You know, Feen, after reading your subliterate rants, I've got to tell you that you've got real chutzpah slinging a grammar flame.

                                        #23.2 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
                                        moltke5104

                                        Oh, and by the way - 'whatsoever' is one word, big guy.

                                        And you havent cited a single example of someone calling you racist.

                                          #23.3 - Fri Jun 26, 2009 2:40 PM EDT
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                                          DarthVSchw

                                          I had to stop reading half way through the rap lyrics because it was so bordering on the uninformed absurd. Good article though. Somebody get Feen a valium and some foot notes.

                                          • 1 vote
                                          Reply#24 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 5:06 AM EDT
                                          Scott Isaacs

                                          You think ITunes releases how many downloads of a particular song there have been upon request? I was wondering who would pay for this.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          #24.1 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 8:36 AM EDT
                                          DarthVSchw

                                          I have too many other tunes I need to get to bother with this crud. My current fave is the sound of madness by Shinedown.

                                            #24.2 - Sun Jun 28, 2009 10:30 PM EDT
                                            tyler

                                            You think ITunes releases how many downloads of a particular song there have been upon request?

                                            Maybe. They keep numbers - I think they've been incorporated into the Billboard charts for a while - but I don't know if they're public. They do most-downloaded lists. And maybe the iTunes mp3 is a better version of the YouTube video.

                                            • 2 votes
                                            #24.3 - Mon Jun 29, 2009 2:45 PM EDT
                                            Scott Isaacs

                                            Thanks for showing me that, Tyler. Maybe I'll contact Apple and try to get the numbers for the Young Cons' song.

                                            • 1 vote
                                            #24.4 - Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:00 PM EDT
                                            Rainkiss

                                            The flat numbers aren't much of an indicator... Chances are that some of the downloads are from people just curious what the fuss is about. The iTunes fee is small enough that stuff can be downloaded, watched or listened to once, laughed at, and deleted.

                                              #24.5 - Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:05 PM EDT
                                              Scott Isaacs

                                              RK:

                                              I'm curious if they are fairly small because, then, that makes it pretty unpopular due to the axiom you just expressed.

                                              • 1 vote
                                              #24.6 - Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:10 PM EDT
                                              Rainkiss

                                              True. :D Let us know what you find.

                                                #24.7 - Mon Jun 29, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
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